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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations of remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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as we begin this adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explore the unexplained live on

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beyond

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explanation i'm your host lon strickler

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coming to you

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from the anomalous state of pennsylvania

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now uh before i start with my guest i

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want to mention something that came to

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this week we had talked previously about

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a um a bigfoot sighting in

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bald eagle state park up in center

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county pennsylvania

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if anybody people that aren't familiar

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center county is actually

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the county where penn state is located

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in state college

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it's been an area where there's been a

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lot of activity and also

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upright canine activity as well so

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the the email i received was

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the witness stated i have a cabin on the

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outskirts of bald eagle state park

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and i've had a few odd experiences that

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i could

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consider your bigfoot i take my children

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hiking on an old logging trail on the

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outskirts of the park

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i made a list of the experiences below

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during the summer i crossed over a

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stream

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where i found a large footprint along

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the water the print was at least 14

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inches long

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seven inches wide and you can see

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clearly see the indents in the mud where

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the there were toes

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uh she had also sent a photograph of it

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uh one separate excursion we

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heard unusual vocalizations chattering

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noises

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like someone was trying to talk and

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creating their own language within that

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language were distinct sounds

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that were very human-like that day we

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were completely on the trail

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now uh in the winter my husband and i

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decided to walk

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down the trail to see if the streams

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on the trail were frozen over uh there

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were snow in the ground and i i know we

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were completely alone on the trail

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on the way back the car we uh

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back to the car we heard a distinctive

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followed by some wood knocks um i made

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that noise back

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and heard another wood knock and then

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we were in our cabin and opened the

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window because the fireplace had made

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their rooms too hot

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uh laying quietly in the bed we heard

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this loud yell

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that was too loud for a human to make

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after this yell all the coyotes started

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and it was very strange and a bit scary

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the cabinet is less than a mile from

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where we had the initial experiences on

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yeah that i i will state the other

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witness that

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that contacted me a month ago and

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seen this this bigfoot and um

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i have talked to a couple people since

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and uh there have been some sightings in

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i'm going to have uh a couple of

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the investment investigators go out

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soon and going to be taking some

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what he can find uh he's got a friend of

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his who

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actually i think has a cabin there as

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uh sean is very close by he's up in

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williamsport

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and i don't know if butch is gonna make

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his trip up there

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as well so we get anything else and

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we'll let you know about it

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and i have it posted on the blog so

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tonight

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i welcome paranormal author and

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researcher steve stockton to arcane

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radio now steve

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is a veteran outdoorsman and paranormal

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researcher who puts together collections

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of terrifying

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odd and strange encounters he also

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references his own personal encounters

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with the unexplained

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steve studied english language at the

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university of tennessee knoxville

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and leaves and lives in portland oregon

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his books include strange things in the

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woods a collection of terrifying tales

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and my strange world from his early

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years steve has had

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what can be called strange and

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oftentimes frightening experiences

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with the paranormal one unexplained

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these encounters led him to search for

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answers only to discover the truth isn't

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always easy to find

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my experience world is a collection of

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steve's encounters from his personal

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life

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researcher

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so steve welcome to the show hey lon

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thanks for having me on glad to be here

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i um i'm interested

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to to know what

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started you on this what experiences

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experiences you've had and

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how did it you know how did it influence

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you to start

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looking into the phenomena yeah well it

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started when i was around six years old

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i saw my first ghost full body

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apparition

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and it didn't scare me as much as it you

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know like

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what was that you know i knew that

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wasn't supposed to happen i wasn't

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supposed to see things like that

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and that just kind of started me on a

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lifelong quest

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of looking into things that basically

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so how many experiences have you had uh

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dozens um really yeah it's

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one of those things i don't think that i

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necessarily chose the paranormal i think

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the paranormal

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chose me um i'm one of those people just

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about anywhere i go if there's any type

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of activity there i will have

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some sort of experience it's not always

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visual it can be uh

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auditory uh things like that or

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olfactory i've

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heard things smell things occasionally

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see things

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but uh i don't know just one of those

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things man i'm just i've gotten used to

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it and uh come to expect it

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um are you an intuitive or do you have

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abilities that allow you to sense spirit

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i i think so i like to think so

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according to my grandmother i do

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my grandmother was uh on my mother's

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side she was a self-styled gypsy witch

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she told fortunes and red tea leaves

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coffee grounds animal

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entrails the whole bit they were

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active in the spiritualism movement from

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around the turn of the last century

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and they held seances and did table

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tippings

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or tappings and the whole nine yards

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ouija board so i grew up around it

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and according to her she was present at

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my birth i was born with a call over my

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face which is just

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it's the after birth part of the

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amniotic sac that doesn't

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doesn't come away but in her southern

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appalachian superstitious mind

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that marked me as a special child and

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that was one of the things that i was

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well traits or gifts that i had with

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second sight intuition

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things like that so according to her

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um are you from uh eastern tennessee

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yeah grew up in the knoxville oak ridge

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area

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yeah i have family down in western north

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carolina around roon mountain and uh

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i'm kind of familiar with the uh the

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folklore and folk magic and such and

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pennsylvania and uh

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i was introduced to pow wowing a long

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i've had family members that were

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involved with it so it's kind of the

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same thing if you

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actually put the two together yeah so

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even though she called herself a gypsy

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granny witch that's right they call them

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they made potions and spells

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and uh herb concoctions

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and things but uh yeah i'm familiar with

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roan mountain too that's uh

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interesting place there you've got

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fiddler's rock you've got the jingling

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hole not too far from there over in

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um there's uh a cave up there on road

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mountain that i've heard about i've

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never been able to find it but according

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somebody i know that went there and he

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saw a spider as big as a house cat

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wow an interesting area

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yeah it is i heard stories ever since i

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was a kid

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i had an um well all my grandmother's

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family

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was born and raised there uh an area

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called

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building i don't know if you're familiar

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with the town in the area

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but uh everybody moved back

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up north and he stayed there uh michael

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stayed there and started a farm and he

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actually had us still up on the mountain

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and he used to tell me to talk about

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this bigfoot would come through there

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and terry's still up you know

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he didn't call it a bigfoot back then

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but you know he said that

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the hairy man would come in there and

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start tearing up you still

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yeah he always talked about that and you

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know me being young i don't know

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really understand what he was saying but

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you know as years have gone by i've kind

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of interpreted as being a bigfoot

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yeah and that's uh my that side of the

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family they're from

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eastern tennessee they're in the smokies

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cades cove area

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in particular and there they had tails

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going back

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at least into the 1800s of wild hairy

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men that lived in the forest and

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the cherokee also talked about oh yeah

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uh born and raised on the reservation at

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cherokee and uh

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yeah i mean there's a lot of tales that

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come out of that area it really is it's

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amazing

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but uh you know i'll be honest with you

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the other the other kids in the family

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and my grandmother's brothers and

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sisters

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they really didn't like talk about it a

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lot now

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i don't know what all they experienced i

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i was talking to seth

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reid love the other day and he i was

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telling him

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that uh you know he's got this this new

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uh

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the bell witch film coming out and

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uh i was telling him i had a great aunt

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who experienced a lot

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of what uh elizabeth bell had

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experienced

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something similar to that you know so a

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lot of those kids had seen that and

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experienced it

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uh in their home back in the euro in

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1900

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so um it kind of hit home when i when i

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saw it so

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uh it's an interesting story but you

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know it's southern folklore you know you

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kind of you know you see it you know

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come

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uh but uh

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yeah i think it was uh you know i can

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i'm pretty interested to see what you've

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experienced as well can you kind of go

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into a little more detail uh

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well i'll just kind of start

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backwards and then and work forward um

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not too long after i saw the full-body

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apparition

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i hadn't encountered again it was on our

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property we lived down in

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west knox county it was rural or

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semi-rural

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at that time about two years later i

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would have been around eight

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and something chased me in the woods

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that i wasn't able to see

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i could see the effect it was having it

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was running and kicking leaves up i

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could see the branches and small trees

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being bent back out of the way

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but long there was absolutely nothing

342
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there scared the daylights out of me

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i was within oh a couple hundred yards

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of home but i was in the woods we had 26

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acres

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and only about five of it cleared off i

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ran back down the hill

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screaming and hollering making a big

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commotion my mom heard me came out on

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the back porch to

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see what was going on i went past her

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went inside and hid under the bed

353
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and my dad and brother got home from

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work they went up there and

355
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looked and they could see you know where

356
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something had ran

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and the trees were broken and bent and

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they would name off what was it a bear

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was it a dog was it you know this that

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you know

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no i couldn't see it i don't know what

362
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it was other than it was chasing me

363
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and uh kind of forgot about that and

364
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stayed out of that

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part of the woods for a long time well

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flash forward a few years later i'm 15

367
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years old we're getting ready to move

368
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from there we bought

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a house a few miles farther up the road

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had one built

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and i was just kind of out messing

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around in the woods you know taking a

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look around at some of my

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old haunts knowing that i'd probably

375
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never see it again at least not under

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those circumstances and i wandered back

377
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up to where that ditch was i stood there

378
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and i looked down in the ditch

379
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and i was thinking what that was that

380
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scared me when i was a kid you know that

381
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was that was weird

382
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and i turned to walk away sure enough i

383
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hear something in the leaves again

384
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i whip back around and look same thing

385
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seven years later it comes up out of the

386
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ditch it's coming straight for me

387
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can't see it but i can see the effects

388
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it's having on the woods around it

389
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and uh i didn't run screaming and crying

390
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down the hill that time and i didn't

391
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waste

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any time getting out of there and uh

393
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years after that i was at a party with

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uh one of those where

395
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i'd gone to a party with somebody that i

396
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knew only from work and just

397
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after work like hey come to this party

398
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with me so i went didn't know him that

399
00:14:56,949 --> 00:14:55,440
well didn't know anybody else there

400
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and some of the girls in attendance had

401
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pulled the ouija board out from under

402
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the couch

403
00:15:02,870 --> 00:15:00,800
and they were going around the room

404
00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:02,880
asking questions when they got to me i

405
00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:04,560
thought i've got a good one for you

406
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and the only thing i said was what

407
00:15:10,389 --> 00:15:08,079
scared me when i was a kid

408
00:15:11,350 --> 00:15:10,399
with that in my mind and i didn't didn't

409
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:11,360
give any more

410
00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:13,040
any more information i'd never seen

411
00:15:16,710 --> 00:15:14,800
those people before didn't know the guy

412
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that i was with him

413
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w-a-t-e-r-s-p-r-i-t-e

414
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water sprite and they looked at me like

415
00:15:28,949 --> 00:15:27,760
why didn't i'm just

416
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kind of shrugging my shoulders and

417
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,480
they're like well maybe it's thirsty

418
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:32,240
once a drink or something

419
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the next day i went to the library and

420
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had the day off

421
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and went to the reference library and i

422
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:40,079
said what can you tell me about a water

423
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sprite and then she came back in a few

424
00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:45,440
minutes and had a book and it's

425
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an elemental type creature there's a

426
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:49,279
couple different types there's one that

427
00:15:53,749 --> 00:15:50,639
protects the woods

428
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which is a dryad and then one that uh is

429
00:15:57,749 --> 00:15:56,000
around water called a nyad

430
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:57,759
and the strange thing about that the

431
00:16:01,350 --> 00:16:00,160
area of our property where that was not

432
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,360
more than

433
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,360
a few hundred feet away there were seven

434
00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:05,199
natural springs that came out of the

435
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hillsides

436
00:16:11,030 --> 00:16:08,160
flowed into one which went into the lake

437
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:11,040
about a quarter mile the way

438
00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:13,040
so according to the ouija board there

439
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:15,600
was some sort of fey or elemental

440
00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:17,360
that i'd encountered and that makes as

441
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:19,040
much sense as anything else i've heard

442
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:19,440
because

443
00:16:24,710 --> 00:16:20,720
whatever it was i couldn't see it but it

444
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,790
wow that's an interesting story i don't

445
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:28,079
know

446
00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:30,959
anything like that in particular i

447
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:32,880
probably have but i just you know

448
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,480
i get a lot of different things but

449
00:16:40,150 --> 00:16:36,000
that's interesting

450
00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:40,160
um anything else if you experienced

451
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:42,079
well we were talking about cherokee and

452
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:43,519
cherokee legends and myths

453
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,480
and um i've had some some cherokee

454
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:48,160
people chide me before like you don't

455
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:50,079
talk about those things you'll draw them

456
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:50,880
to you

457
00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:52,880
yeah and they fiercely believe that

458
00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:54,800
especially some of the elders and i'm

459
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:56,560
cherokee on my dad's side his

460
00:17:02,550 --> 00:16:58,160
grandmother was full

461
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,470
i was over at a friend's house that

462
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,079
lived close by this i would have been

463
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:08,720
about 11 or 12 at this time

464
00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:11,120
and they lived way way back out in the

465
00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,640
woods their driveway was

466
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:14,319
over a mile long they liked their

467
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:15,760
privacy

468
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:17,439
and we were about halfway down the

469
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:19,120
driveway there was an old shale pit

470
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,000
there

471
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:23,120
building

472
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:26,240
a little shack a farm

473
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:28,640
building that was falling down one very

474
00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:29,520
big

475
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:31,120
but we're down there in the shell pit

476
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:32,720
just messing around and about the same

477
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:34,720
time we both looked up

478
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:37,679
and there was something looking at us

479
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:39,280
out the window of this thing and it was

480
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:40,720
falling down to the point that i don't

481
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:43,360
think a person could have gotten in it

482
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:46,640
it resembled a horse except both eyes

483
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:48,400
were on the front of its head these huge

484
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:49,760
eyes and it had

485
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:52,799
sharp teeth unlike the flat teeth that

486
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:55,600
horses had we both saw it

487
00:18:00,310 --> 00:17:57,520
scared the daylights out of both of us

488
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,320
we tore back up the driveway and

489
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,799
his dad who was a full cherokee he

490
00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:04,240
listened to us for a while he's like

491
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:06,000
okay this is nonsense i'm going to go

492
00:18:09,909 --> 00:18:07,679
down there and see

493
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,919
took a shotgun went back down the road

494
00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,360
of course we stayed at the house we

495
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,520
didn't want anything else to do with it

496
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,039
but we kept waiting and we were

497
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,280
listening for a shotgun blast or

498
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:18,960
yelling or something didn't hear

499
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,039
anything a few minutes later he comes

500
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:22,799
walking back up the hill shotgun over

501
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:24,080
his shoulder

502
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:26,480
and he just he had a real concerned look

503
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:27,600
on his face and

504
00:18:31,430 --> 00:18:30,000
he never would tell us if he saw

505
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:31,440
anything or not but he made us

506
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:34,000
swear i mean he was adamant that we not

507
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,960
that we would never

508
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:36,559
go back down there and play around that

509
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:38,799
area and we didn't

510
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:41,520
and to this day i've never been back and

511
00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:42,000
my friend

512
00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:44,000
told me a few weeks later that his dad

513
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,760
pulled that shack down into the shell

514
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:47,600
pit and burned it down

515
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:49,840
so knowing what i know now i think it

516
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,640
was some sort of a windigo or skinwalker

517
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,320
or something like that just from the way

518
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,000
it looked

519
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,200
you know and i think his dad being

520
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:00,960
cherokee knew what it was and

521
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,720
and knew that we needed to stay out of

522
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,720
there and i think sometimes that happens

523
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,640
you see things that are actually

524
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,160
meant for other people and that's what

525
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:10,240
my granny used to tell me cause i'd

526
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:10,559
share

527
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,880
her with her some of the things that i'd

528
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:14,240
seen her experience and she said well

529
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:14,640
some

530
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:20,400
and you just happen to see them too

531
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:24,640
so there you go i think that does happen

532
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:25,120
a lot

533
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:28,240
um you know once a person

534
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,679
reports uh seeing some type of cryptid

535
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:33,200
or such

536
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:35,679
uh i think in a lot of instances that

537
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,320
person

538
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,640
was inclined to actually see it and

539
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:39,840
others weren't

540
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,280
you know i think that i think that is

541
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,960
something that may happen in a lot of

542
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,320
cryptid reports

543
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,799
even bigfoot and you know upright

544
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,240
canines and such

545
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,320
i think some people are inclined to see

546
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:54,160
it in others or not

547
00:20:00,470 --> 00:19:57,520
i i can't really prove that but uh

548
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,480
i i think that does happen i feel the

549
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:02,559
same way especially some of the one-offs

550
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:04,559
like the dover demon or the flatwoods

551
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,640
monster things like that where it just

552
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,400
shows up one time to

553
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,480
one or a small group of people and then

554
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:12,320
it's never seen it hurt from again

555
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,840
yeah yeah yeah i think that's entirely

556
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:17,120
possible

557
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:21,200
um so you know you're from that area

558
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:22,799
in the appalachians what are your

559
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:24,559
thoughts on bigfoot

560
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:27,919
and uh other types of uh

561
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:31,280
cryptids like these dog man and such

562
00:20:36,470 --> 00:20:34,240
well i don't really know that much about

563
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,480
dog man i've never encountered

564
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:38,320
one of those that i'm aware of i've

565
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,760
heard some things in the woods that i

566
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:41,919
always attributed to bigfoot

567
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,960
but um there

568
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,440
there's something there i don't know as

569
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,120
far as to the origin of it if it's a

570
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:51,280
species that's unknown to us

571
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,200
if it's something supernatural if it's

572
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,039
from another dimension but there's

573
00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,440
definitely something out there i've had

574
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:01,679
i've never had an actual sighting but

575
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:02,480
i've heard them

576
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,440
i've smelled them once in the the

577
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:06,720
jefferson

578
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,600
national forest up in virginia i'd heard

579
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,720
the tree knocks and

580
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:13,200
yips and whoops and things and then i

581
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:13,760
started

582
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:14,960
and it's about two o'clock in the

583
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,600
morning i like to night hike or used to

584
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,360
i started getting pelted with river

585
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,679
rocks little frown little round flat

586
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:24,240
river rocks and they were just coming

587
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:24,960
out of the woods

588
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,840
in different directions and i didn't

589
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,440
really even feel them hitting me i just

590
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,600
i heard them hitting the ground

591
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,600
and i thought okay i'm somewhere where i

592
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:35,360
don't need to be and i got out of there

593
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,000
but

594
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,400
that just based on other accounts and

595
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:39,440
things i think that was

596
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,000
some sort of bigfoot encounter

597
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:46,080
yeah i know a lot of people who didn't

598
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:47,679
see whatever it was but

599
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,559
they you know that seems to be the uh

600
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:52,320
standard operation

601
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,320
stopper mo of these uh of these bigfoot

602
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,320
throwing either pine cones or small

603
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,400
little rocks and such

604
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,880
uh you know and i've talked to countless

605
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,400
people who've experienced that

606
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,440
it's uh though they didn't see anything

607
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:09,280
you know it was coming out of the woods

608
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,400
you know you mentioned the uh that that

609
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,520
previous account with the uh a possible

610
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,760
wendigo or maybe a skin walker you know

611
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:19,360
i do believe

612
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,039
that mostly indigenous tribes have that

613
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,440
have something very similar to that in

614
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,200
either their floor

615
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,280
or part of their religion of course the

616
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:31,919
skin walker

617
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,480
basically is you know if you're talking

618
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:36,720
about the navajo culture

619
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,640
uh some a witch that kind of transforms

620
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:41,760
or

621
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:44,880
shapeshifts into another being and

622
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,840
uh you're right i i have heard a lot of

623
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:49,919
weird stories up and down the

624
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:53,600
appalachia and uh

625
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,200
you know i i think there is some

626
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,640
indigenous

627
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,679
affiliation cherokee in particular

628
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:02,320
even some of the shawnee and such i've

629
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:02,720
heard

630
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:06,080
over the years i think they all have it

631
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,840
i mean you know i think the beliefs kind

632
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,760
of are very slimmer

633
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,080
through all these groups yeah it's there

634
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:14,000
and it's that's the unusual and

635
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,640
interesting

636
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,880
to me part about it is you can have a

637
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,720
tribe on the other side of the country

638
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,559
and they have a lot of the same stories

639
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,640
a lot of the similar

640
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,440
uh legends and tales um like you

641
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,440
mentioned the navajo

642
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,039
i can't remember the name of the tribes

643
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,039
but around the mount shasta area in

644
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,720
california

645
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,720
they have uh creatures they talk about

646
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,480
that are made of rock

647
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,080
and they can open up and swallow people

648
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,679
and then close back

649
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,200
and you also have a lot of

650
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,120
disappearances in that area

651
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,360
same with crater lake here in southern

652
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:46,640
oregon

653
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:49,520
and then yeah back east a cherokee and

654
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,000
i'm more

655
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,600
familiar with that just because of the

656
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,039
family connections

657
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,760
but they have a legend for everything

658
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,559
there's uh

659
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,159
they have the little people there in the

660
00:24:01,430 --> 00:24:00,159
smokies the pukwudgie or whatever you

661
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:01,440
want to call them

662
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:04,080
um and they consider those uh they

663
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,120
talked about

664
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:08,080
being the blessed ones or a special race

665
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:09,440
of people but they

666
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,120
still avoided them and didn't didn't

667
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:12,640
want to make any trouble with them and

668
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,760
then you've got

669
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:16,799
legends like spearfinger which was kind

670
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,080
of a skinwalker type thing she was uh

671
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:22,559
could appear as anybody but often

672
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,360
appeared as a

673
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,840
grandmotherly old lady that was lost in

674
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,000
the woods and wanted you to help her

675
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,799
on her way home and then she had a piece

676
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,799
of obsidian for one of her index fingers

677
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:34,320
and she would cut your liver out and eat

678
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:35,200
it and then you

679
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,559
actually ever heard of you yeah that's

680
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,919
understanding lots of interesting

681
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:41,360
legends and then they're on the north

682
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:42,320
shore

683
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,400
of fontana lake on there's a a cherokee

684
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,720
legend about a pond somewhere there near

685
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:49,840
the lake

686
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,799
where um a deer had waded out into the

687
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,919
pond and

688
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:56,000
the pond started swirling pulled the

689
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,360
deer down into it

690
00:25:02,230 --> 00:24:59,600
and then all that came back up was bits

691
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,240
of fur and cartilage and bone so

692
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,640
something big in that pond that uh likes

693
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,200
to consume deer

694
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,960
and that's the other interesting thing

695
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,960
all those areas in the smokies

696
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,960
the ones that have the most activity

697
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,120
which basically is cates cove

698
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,120
and the north shore fontana lake in that

699
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,200
area those are also the places where

700
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,880
people have gone missing

701
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:24,240
uh kate's covering mount lakant

702
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:27,840
dennis martin trini gibson of pauline

703
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,120
milton

704
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,159
i don't know it just it's all kind of

705
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,080
somehow related i don't believe in

706
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:36,000
string theory or something that way but

707
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,039
there are

708
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,159
almost 40 in connections with everything

709
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:42,320
there the legends the disappearances the

710
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,440
little people

711
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,080
the wild hairy men and there's elements

712
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,840
of each one of those in a lot of the

713
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,720
disappearances of things

714
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:53,279
yeah you know people may not realize but

715
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,760
the

716
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,400
smoky mountains that area in particular

717
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,080
there have been a lot of disappearances

718
00:26:03,750 --> 00:25:59,919
of people for whatever reason

719
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:03,760
um you know i know when this 4-1-1

720
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:04,480
phenomena

721
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,840
started getting out there in the

722
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,000
mainstream uh

723
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,440
people were talking about it in

724
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,400
particular about the state parks or

725
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,640
some type either federal land or such

726
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,080
but really

727
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,919
you know over the past century or so

728
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,080
there have been a lot of disappearances

729
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,000
up in the smoky mountains

730
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:25,039
um you know i and people attributed to a

731
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,240
lot of different things

732
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,360
but uh a lot of these disappearances

733
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:30,640
were

734
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,919
you know they suddenly disappear or um

735
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,279
you know

736
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,400
there have been cases where lots of

737
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,000
lights have been seen

738
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,679
now i'm not talking about the brown

739
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,000
mountain lights but other areas

740
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,159
in the smoky mountain area where these

741
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,320
lights would be seen uh

742
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,520
possible abductions you know so

743
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,200
there's been a lot of weird stuff that's

744
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,880
happened in that area

745
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:01,279
kind of all ties in together and uh i

746
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:02,000
talked to an

747
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,360
older gentleman one time up in the

748
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:05,039
smokies was telling me a story about he

749
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,159
was out

750
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,080
of i think he was possum hunting or [\h__\h]

751
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:09,919
hunting or something at night

752
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,360
and uh this was before they had electric

753
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,720
lights and things

754
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:17,200
or at least rudimentary ones and he was

755
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,000
using the old

756
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:21,279
carbide light on our hat like a miner's

757
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,240
helmet

758
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,720
and he ran out of carbide and was lost

759
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,559
in the woods in the dark

760
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,240
and he saw a light off in the distance

761
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,679
he thought it was another hunter so he's

762
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,120
trying to get to the light

763
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,960
he notices it's moving so he's just

764
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:34,399
following it

765
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,840
and uh one place he said that it crossed

766
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:39,520
over a little gap and when he went

767
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,440
across that gap he fell off like a 12

768
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:43,840
foot little bluff or cliff there

769
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:46,799
and uh bro he didn't break his ankle but

770
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,000
he twisted it pretty good

771
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,600
jammed his gun down in the ground and

772
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,840
stuff and he said steve i know

773
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,840
i watched that light walk he said it

774
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,520
looked like somebody carrying a lantern

775
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:57,279
it walked across that area and i just

776
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:58,960
went right along behind it and i fell

777
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,279
off

778
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:02,159
and he when he went back in the daytime

779
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,880
to get his

780
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,480
rifle and stuff which he couldn't even

781
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:06,640
find in the dark he said there was no

782
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,200
way that

783
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,919
anything human could have walked across

784
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,600
there

785
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,600
and i've heard other stories like that

786
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,880
that there are

787
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,559
if you want to call them spook lights or

788
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,480
fairy lights or ghost lights or whatever

789
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:19,760
those are prevalent

790
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,200
in the smokies and a lot of the cherokee

791
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:25,039
attributed to the little people and if

792
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,919
they like you

793
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,279
they can lead you out of the woods but

794
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,799
if you've done something to anger them

795
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:29,760
or upset them

796
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,760
they could lead you off into the woods

797
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:33,840
and that's part of the legend is you

798
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:34,320
you're

799
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,919
again yeah

800
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,440
yeah i've heard a lot of that over the

801
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,200
years um

802
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:43,200
you know occasionally a story from up

803
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:44,640
there will make

804
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,159
the meteor be on the show or such but

805
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,760
there have been a lot of a lot of

806
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:52,240
disappearances over the years

807
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,480
um i i even from people from my family

808
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,039
had talked about disappearances

809
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,520
uh where you know someone just vanishes

810
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:03,279
and

811
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,159
you know it's interesting i got involved

812
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:09,600
in a lot of cases with

813
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:12,720
uh alien experiencers

814
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,640
and such and we're in even an instance

815
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,720
one instance where a person i had been

816
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:19,760
involved with

817
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,039
who i just started working with uh

818
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:26,000
had been experiencing possible alien ufo

819
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,960
activity

820
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:29,760
just simply disappeared she never showed

821
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:30,240
she

822
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,000
and uh you know that's something he kind

823
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:37,600
of weighs on you after well it's been

824
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,640
about a decade

825
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:41,039
for me that was out that was actually

826
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,760
out in

827
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,480
um eastern washington near the idaho

828
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,760
border

829
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:47,840
that was that was a strange strange

830
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:51,600
story so you're out in portland now

831
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:55,039
uh which i consider a weird center i'll

832
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,880
be honest with you because i've

833
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:58,720
i've gotten a lot of things out there

834
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,640
over the years in particular and of

835
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,240
course people know about the bigfoot

836
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:03,840
phenomena but

837
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:07,200
um and of course the show grim

838
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:08,720
being out of there didn't help much

839
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,590
but uh i um

840
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:19,029
i had been getting

841
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:22,399
more recently a lot of alien type

842
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,080
being sightings and interactions

843
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,320
um can you tell us some of the stuff

844
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:29,520
that you've

845
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:32,080
either experienced or heard about it up

846
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,039
in that area

847
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,080
uh yeah there's a lot going on here in

848
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,760
portland right now so i don't get out

849
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,960
as often as i used to and explore but uh

850
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,840
there are

851
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,159
a lot of purportedly haunted places here

852
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,159
you've got the shanghai tunnels

853
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,760
you've got the pitta mansion you've got

854
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:49,279
a cathedral park

855
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:52,480
and some of these hauntings go back

856
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,679
hundreds of years and uh are over a

857
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,039
hundred anyway

858
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,399
and uh there's not a lot of ufo

859
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,000
sightings here that i'm aware of i know

860
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,600
there are some

861
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,919
but it's get into that more when you get

862
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,279
over just across the river into

863
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,200
washington state

864
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,679
uh you've got the gifford pinchot

865
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,440
national forest there

866
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,840
and again it's a hotbed it's got ufos

867
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,640
it's got bigfoot it's a little bit of

868
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:20,399
everything and then just a little bit

869
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,279
farther up that

870
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,880
mount st helens i can see mount st

871
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,039
helens from my driveway yeah my prayer

872
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,480
day where i live

873
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:28,720
and there you've got the ape caves and

874
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,640
that's the same area where the abe

875
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,159
canyon attacks

876
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,679
happened if you remember those from the

877
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,640
the 1900s early 1900s

878
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,640
and uh i saw something the other day

879
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:40,240
where there's a

880
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,440
paranormal group i think they're from

881
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,360
california they think they've

882
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,080
located that cabin where the uh the

883
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,840
remains of it where the abe canyon

884
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,360
attacks happened

885
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,120
and anybody not familiar with it it was

886
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,960
some miners that got trapped in their

887
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,000
cabin by

888
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,080
again what they described as a group of

889
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,679
hairy wild men

890
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:00,559
and uh they were attacked by uh boulders

891
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,440
and

892
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,120
the the hairy men were trying to get in

893
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:04,480
the cabin even reaching through the

894
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:05,600
cracks one of them reached in and

895
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,440
grabbed an axe and tried to pull it back

896
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,399
out

897
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,919
and uh one of the gentlemen i can't

898
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,600
remember his name he claims to have shot

899
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,200
one of them

900
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,679
upon a cliff or a bluff and it fell a

901
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:17,279
couple hundred feet down into

902
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,559
a canyon there and uh so the thinking of

903
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,519
this paranormal

904
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:24,240
organization is if this is the cabin

905
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,720
then

906
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,880
somewhere if we can find this canyon

907
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:28,000
there might be a skeleton

908
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,679
there of whatever it was he shot now

909
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:31,679
it's been you know 80

910
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:34,799
years or more ago so who knows but

911
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,399
be worth a look i think and uh there's

912
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:40,159
again it's it's mostly bigfoot and

913
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,159
things out here but a little bit uh

914
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,039
farther up beyond that area you have the

915
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,399
city ranch i don't know if you're

916
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,840
familiar with

917
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,480
that up there or not it's yeah oh yes oh

918
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,519
yeah absolutely

919
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,760
yeah now they have regular sightings

920
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,320
there they've had ufo sightings uh

921
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,240
i know a person went there that had some

922
00:33:03,350 --> 00:32:59,840
sort of dog man

923
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,360
encounter that uh basically saw what

924
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,120
looked like a portal open

925
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:07,200
and a dog man just come strolling out on

926
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:08,799
two legs and

927
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,240
just continues on nobody's business and

928
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,360
ufo bigfoot everything there i've never

929
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:16,880
had a chance to go up

930
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,000
but i'd like to go there sometime

931
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:22,080
yeah i've heard a lot of stories around

932
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,120
about

933
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:25,760
mount adams and also mount shasta and

934
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:26,720
such

935
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,919
uh actual openings up on the mountain

936
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:32,320
where ufos would fly out grab them fly

937
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,200
out

938
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:36,080
yeah you hear a lot of that shasta

939
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,519
something else i've been down there a

940
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,799
few times

941
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,559
and there's just a weird energy there

942
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:42,159
there's people claim that there's a

943
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,279
vortex

944
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,039
or a series of portals or something

945
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,120
there it's other places where i felt

946
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:48,399
that or like in sedona

947
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,000
arizona joshua tree california

948
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,600
um and then there's the oregon vortex

949
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,360
just across the state line there around

950
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,360
the clay crater lake area

951
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,679
but you know shasta there's all kinds of

952
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:03,840
strange strange things that go in there

953
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,880
disappearances uh sightings of people in

954
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:07,919
robes

955
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,079
uh the stories of the lemurians and the

956
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:14,079
people that live inside the mountain in

957
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,200
the tunnels

958
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,119
and then also there's supposedly bunkers

959
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,720
with equipment and things in there and

960
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,240
then um

961
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:22,000
one of the the stories we covered on

962
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,839
missing persons and mysteries was a

963
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,320
robot grandma where a little boy went

964
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,079
missing in the woods

965
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,440
and uh they eventually found him and

966
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,200
a few days later he tells this story

967
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,879
that he's looking at his grandma and he

968
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,599
said

969
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,359
i like you better than the other grandma

970
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,119
and she thought he meant the other

971
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,320
parents mother and he said no he's like

972
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,560
i'm talking about the robot grandma

973
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,839
and she's like what are you talking

974
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,760
about and he said do you remember when i

975
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,280
was lost in the woods

976
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:51,760
he said you came to get me but it wasn't

977
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:52,399
you

978
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,399
and according to the little boy

979
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,800
this robot grandma took him into a cave

980
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:00,640
there on mount shasta

981
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,640
and he recalls seeing uh old swords and

982
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,720
guns and cannons and things with cobwebs

983
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,960
on them and she tried to get him to use

984
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,359
the bathroom on a piece of paper

985
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,280
and he wouldn't do it and she got very

986
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:14,720
angry with him

987
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,440
and took him back and let him go and

988
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,240
then that was

989
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,680
in the area where they found him the

990
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:22,240
next day and then the odd thing about

991
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:23,359
that

992
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:26,960
she had had an

993
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,599
encounter in the same area of shasta

994
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:31,359
prior to this where she had

995
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,400
woken up like the next morning

996
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,800
outside her tent didn't know how she got

997
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,720
there and had some sort of puncture

998
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,040
wound on the back of her neck

999
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,359
so there's some some strange stuff going

1000
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,800
on on mount shasta

1001
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:46,560
and in the nearby town of weed

1002
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,079
california there there's

1003
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:50,640
a lot of new age centers a lot of uh

1004
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,720
meditation and alternate religions

1005
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,400
things it's an interesting place to

1006
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,560
visit it's a lot like sedona

1007
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,160
yeah i got a friend who goes out there

1008
00:36:03,589 --> 00:35:59,839
almost every year

1009
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,599
on retreat and uh and you talk about

1010
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:05,680
these new age centers involved in some

1011
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,240
of that

1012
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,880
but um yeah i've heard a lot of weird

1013
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:11,280
stories out there over the years it's

1014
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,119
you know i i i used i would dig up the

1015
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,680
the old accounts you know of course back

1016
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:19,359
then you know

1017
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,310
the newspapers accounts would be uh

1018
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,079
embellished to a degree

1019
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,320
they weren't like they are now though we

1020
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,000
do get some now

1021
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,119
but uh you know i i did i do remember

1022
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,800
one in particular where there was a um

1023
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,119
uh there was a woman and her friend who

1024
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:42,640
were on a train

1025
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:45,920
and they were going by mount shasta and

1026
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:49,119
she talks about the bigfoot up on the

1027
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,320
mountain

1028
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:53,119
throwing things at the train as it was

1029
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,320
going by

1030
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:57,119
i had another woman tell me she was on a

1031
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,079
train

1032
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,280
near mount shasta and saw

1033
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:04,160
bigfoot out in the fields you know in

1034
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,040
the foothills

1035
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,440
and uh you know you talked about the

1036
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,160
lemurian legends yeah that's us

1037
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,400
that's a whole new ball game right there

1038
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,800
that's a deep rabbit hole right yeah

1039
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,960
yeah now st germain that's been

1040
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,720
encountered on the mountain supposedly

1041
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,000
and then

1042
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:22,320
he had channeled his religion to uh i

1043
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,920
came there was a guy back in the

1044
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,480
20s or 30s or something that basically

1045
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,480
started a religion based on

1046
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,240
knowledge he had gained on mount shasta

1047
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,680
and had one time like 2 million

1048
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,440
followers

1049
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,960
wow yeah i mean that there are a lot of

1050
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,760
people that i

1051
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,920
i have talked to over the years that

1052
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,760
swear that there are portals there

1053
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:44,880
there you know they have experienced uh

1054
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,240
lost time but have also experienced

1055
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,960
where they believe they have going back

1056
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:52,320
into time

1057
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,599
uh time travel and such

1058
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,800
uh it is it's kind of bizarre and you're

1059
00:38:02,230 --> 00:37:59,760
right there

1060
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,240
there are so many hot spots especially

1061
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,079
here in the united states

1062
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,800
there it just seems to be certain areas

1063
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:08,720
for whatever reason

1064
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,880
it was geology or just some type of

1065
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,520
energy vortex or something that causes a

1066
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,280
lot of different phenomena

1067
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,599
to be seen of course out in your area

1068
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:21,599
there just seemed to be a lot of it

1069
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,920
yeah from basically here all the way up

1070
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:25,520
from northern california all through

1071
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,320
oregon

1072
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,640
up to washington up to uh to the

1073
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:30,320
canadian border there i mean you've got

1074
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,440
weird stuff

1075
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,280
yeah all through there up in uh like

1076
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,040
seattle you've got the the

1077
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,599
seatac home they call it which you also

1078
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:39,359
have in taos new mexico there's this

1079
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,240
home

1080
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,320
that sounds like a machinery or a dynamo

1081
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,680
or something that kicks on

1082
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,760
it's underground but nobody knows what

1083
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,680
it is they can feel it

1084
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,880
and you're talking about the geomagnetic

1085
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,760
anomalies and things i was talking to um

1086
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,920
nathan isaac the other night he's been

1087
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,680
on he was in season two of hell here and

1088
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,280
he has a

1089
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,359
podcast called pityroil and he was

1090
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,680
talking about the geomagnetic anomaly

1091
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,320
there called the kentucky anomaly

1092
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,440
one of the few places in the world where

1093
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,160
all this weird magnetic stuff happens

1094
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,240
there's been meteor strikes there it's

1095
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,000
close to where they saw the the kelly

1096
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,520
hopkins field goblins

1097
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,680
it's close to hillier it's close to all

1098
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,359
these other things that have gone on

1099
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,720
there so

1100
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,720
is that something that's drawing stuff

1101
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,839
there or

1102
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,280
is it the stuff that's going there

1103
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,720
causing that i mean there's so many

1104
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:31,040
different ways you can go with that

1105
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,680
just it boggles the mind yeah i mean

1106
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,880
there are places

1107
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:36,480
and i live in pennsylvania but there are

1108
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,079
places like that here

1109
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:41,359
where you just constantly hear of

1110
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:42,320
strange

1111
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,000
occurrences in these areas uh

1112
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,720
but then again you know just like now

1113
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,520
you're up in

1114
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,680
the pacific northwest and of course

1115
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:53,040
everybody knows that area for the

1116
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:53,760
bigfoot

1117
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,520
sasquatch phenomena but i you know

1118
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,760
i i do believe and i don't know what

1119
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,359
your thoughts are on this but i do

1120
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:02,640
believe

1121
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,200
that the bigfoot or the sasquatch that

1122
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,760
are seen up in that area

1123
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,839
are actually indigenous beings i don't

1124
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,000
believe they may be supernatural

1125
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,160
though i believe that phenomena is

1126
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,480
supernatural in some places i

1127
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,520
i think that uh they they and other

1128
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,800
cryptic beings may

1129
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,079
very well be some type of

1130
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,560
interdimensional uh beings

1131
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:26,800
or you know are just like the wing

1132
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,040
humanoids we've been involved with

1133
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:32,240
in the upper midwest i think that's

1134
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,440
very likely some type of

1135
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:35,760
interdimensional being but up there in

1136
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,480
your area i do believe

1137
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:40,480
most of those are indigenous because you

1138
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:43,760
do get a lot of reports with family pods

1139
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,599
or family groups um you know just not

1140
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,200
one singular

1141
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,520
being just seen all the time yeah

1142
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:53,280
there's something else associated with

1143
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:54,000
it

1144
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,000
almost like

1145
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,599
the ones that you see in other parts

1146
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,760
maybe they migrated or followed a path

1147
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,520
or something and they've kind of

1148
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,359
changed or evolved and adapted to their

1149
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:07,599
area but you don't hear as much about

1150
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,640
the

1151
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,079
i've heard stories out here people

1152
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,640
seeing them female bigfoot with uh

1153
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,160
nursing and young i think that might

1154
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,079
have been on mount shasta

1155
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,000
and things like that now as far as any

1156
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,920
winged humanoids i haven't really heard

1157
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,359
of any out here but

1158
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,440
that really seems to be popping off back

1159
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:25,040
east i'm subscribed to your email

1160
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:26,079
newsletter

1161
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,760
and it's like almost every day or every

1162
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,280
other day there's another report of a

1163
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,560
winged humanoid

1164
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,920
coming in some of them are older of

1165
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,920
course but that's just fascinating i

1166
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,920
mean i know about mothman and

1167
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,640
and some of that but i'd love to know

1168
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,480
what's going on with that what's

1169
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:43,119
if that's becoming more prevalent or if

1170
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:44,480
it's just one of those things that

1171
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,960
people

1172
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,280
are more aware of it um one of the

1173
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:48,800
things we do on missing persons and

1174
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,520
mysteries

1175
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,599
we let listeners send in their stories

1176
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,800
and then i narrate those in a

1177
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,839
compilation

1178
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,079
and we're seeing more and more glimmer

1179
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,599
man stories

1180
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,319
oh yeah the the predator type creature

1181
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,839
and again is it one of those things

1182
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,440
where it's

1183
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,280
more people are aware of it and they

1184
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,960
realize they've seen it or they've heard

1185
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:08,400
other stories they're willing to come

1186
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,280
forward

1187
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,079
and tell theirs i had an encounter with

1188
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,000
something like that in downtown portland

1189
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,640
oregon one night about midnight

1190
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,480
i was waiting on a train i was the only

1191
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:20,720
one who's the last train of the night

1192
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,000
i was the only one at the stop and i saw

1193
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,319
something over between uh

1194
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:29,440
a signpost and a garbage can and it was

1195
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,000
like like

1196
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,800
the shimmer and i thought well is that

1197
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,319
you know like heat coming out of the

1198
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:35,839
because it wasn't really that cold and i

1199
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,400
thought is that like heat coming out of

1200
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,760
a steam vent or a

1201
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,760
grate or something i walk over there to

1202
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:43,440
where i could see it a little better

1203
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:44,800
and there's nothing there but i can

1204
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,359
still see this outline now it was

1205
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,760
roughly humanoid in shape but it wasn't

1206
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,440
very tall it was only about four feet

1207
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,319
tall

1208
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,440
but when i was looking at it it sort of

1209
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:58,319
hunkered down or squatted down and i

1210
00:43:01,349 --> 00:43:00,400
just like every hair on my body stood up

1211
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,359
and i thought you know this

1212
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,839
this isn't a good thing so i'm trying to

1213
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,040
figure out how i'm going to

1214
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,000
make my exit here i ended up crossing

1215
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,160
the street against the light

1216
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:12,400
and a car had to slam on his brakes i

1217
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,359
ran to get out

1218
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:16,079
in front of the car and hoping whatever

1219
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:17,359
it was wouldn't chase me

1220
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:20,400
and it didn't but uh those stories are

1221
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,040
becoming

1222
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,960
more and more prevalent and people are

1223
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,480
seeing them in cities and just

1224
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,119
outside of the country whereas the early

1225
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,880
reports it was in the woods and heavily

1226
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,640
wooded areas

1227
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:33,359
had a story in the compilation before

1228
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,160
last

1229
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,720
a lady in new jersey and her little boy

1230
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,079
saw one

1231
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,480
and a tree just and this is not a really

1232
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:42,480
rural area in new jersey but

1233
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,589
this glitter man phenomena is has been

1234
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:50,880
turning up more and more

1235
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:54,000
recently now i don't know why i don't

1236
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:54,960
know if it was

1237
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,040
like you said because the predator maybe

1238
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,480
people are actually noticing

1239
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,680
it uh and it's been there all along

1240
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,119
i believe that there's a good

1241
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,880
possibility

1242
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,680
that these are some type of cryptid

1243
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,760
cloaking

1244
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,560
you know uh you know we've got a i got

1245
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:14,720
that case reported to me

1246
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:18,960
from oklahoma over the past month or so

1247
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,440
and this individual was talking about

1248
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,240
seeing all kinds of weird phenomena

1249
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:26,640
and one of the investigators on my team

1250
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:27,280
ryan

1251
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,800
he um he drove out there about i don't

1252
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:32,640
know about two weeks ago

1253
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,200
and he collected some evidence while i

1254
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:36,880
was out there

1255
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:39,920
and uh we'll we'll be posting it up on

1256
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:43,359
my blog and in sometime soon but

1257
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,640
he actually called a photograph of this

1258
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,880
glimmer effect this glimmer being up in

1259
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,240
the tree

1260
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,839
and beyonce it's one of the better

1261
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,079
photos i've seen

1262
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,400
of this phenomena and uh they're

1263
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,560
definitely something there

1264
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,880
but you know i have i have talked to a

1265
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,440
lot of people that have seen this

1266
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,400
and uh you know i think you i think most

1267
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,240
people believe it's a cloaked

1268
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,200
being of some type be an alien you know

1269
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:12,800
is it an alien just like in

1270
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:15,760
uh like for the movies yeah uh i don't

1271
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:16,160
know

1272
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,160
i've also seen video of like

1273
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,520
from battlefields where soldiers seem to

1274
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,280
be using that kind of technology too so

1275
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,200
is it something like that is it

1276
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,040
something our government has or somebody

1277
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,880
else's government has or

1278
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,960
is it an alien technology that we've

1279
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,800
somehow reverse engineered and nobody

1280
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,920
knows about

1281
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,599
or is it you know something supernatural

1282
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:39,200
it could be all the above or any of the

1283
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,839
above

1284
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:42,079
that's the thing about it it kind of

1285
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,359
like the other some of the other stuff

1286
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,359
it just overlaps and doesn't fit into

1287
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,720
one pigeonhole

1288
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:49,520
really neatly it's interesting because

1289
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,079
um

1290
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:52,640
like i said it's something that has you

1291
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:53,200
know

1292
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,480
been investigators i have talked to for

1293
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,280
years we're just starting to get reports

1294
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,200
like this as well you know

1295
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,079
you know the overall sense was early on

1296
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,640
about too many people watching the movie

1297
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,920
and believe me that's what they're

1298
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:11,839
saying but you know

1299
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,560
some of the uh you know i thought i was

1300
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:16,480
i heard bruce mcabee talk

1301
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,359
not long ago about he actually

1302
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,040
experiencing

1303
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:24,000
one of these glimmer men out in mary's

1304
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:25,200
home

1305
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,720
uh this uh this phenomenon's turning up

1306
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:31,440
now what's behind it well i guess that's

1307
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,839
uh

1308
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,400
what we got to figure out at some point

1309
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,440
yeah um

1310
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,079
yeah bruce's wife uh jan saw one when

1311
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,839
she was deer hunting she was up yeah

1312
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,240
stand and she's got a picture of it it

1313
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,839
wasn't a very good picture it might even

1314
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,040
be video but

1315
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,960
i've seen stills from that and there's

1316
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:48,640
absolutely something there

1317
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,000
and at the same time as her sighting not

1318
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:54,160
too far away there was a marching band

1319
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,760
practicing on a football field

1320
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,920
and they had some sort of ufo sighting

1321
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,040
or encounter

1322
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,760
so it kind of goes hand in hand with

1323
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,200
even though they were technically

1324
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:04,640
unrelated and

1325
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:07,920
close to each other the ufo sighting and

1326
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,359
this strange glimmer creature

1327
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,640
at the same time it's interesting you

1328
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,359
know when you

1329
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,680
when you're involved with this with the

1330
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,359
paranormal it's interesting some of the

1331
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,200
stuff that turns up

1332
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,160
uh you know this glimmer man thing now

1333
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,000
another thing has been

1334
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,920
more prevalent in the past decade are

1335
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:30,880
these pale humanoid beings

1336
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,480
uh people call them flesh gates rakes or

1337
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,240
whatever you want to call them

1338
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,760
but it was something that would

1339
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,480
occasionally turn up in a report

1340
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,400
but now we're getting them everywhere i

1341
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,559
mean you know even even here defensive

1342
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,559
in pennsylvania we've got a couple of

1343
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,640
cases we're actually looking into

1344
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:51,440
now but you know it you know people some

1345
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:52,079
some

1346
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,800
people say wow it's a when to go or you

1347
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,839
know but

1348
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,599
what they're describing is an actual

1349
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,680
flesh and blood being

1350
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,880
and uh you know they just seem to pop

1351
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:05,359
up here and there or they you know are

1352
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,160
they some kind

1353
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,280
of manifestation of a spirit or such i

1354
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:10,480
don't know it's hard to tell

1355
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:13,440
but uh some of the evidence is pretty

1356
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:14,160
compelling

1357
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,160
as to what these things you know what

1358
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,870
well like the the night walkers if

1359
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:22,240
you've ever seen any of that before

1360
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,040
right

1361
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,480
places too

1362
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,280
almost the same exact thing and i've had

1363
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,960
some native americans tell me that

1364
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:32,240
that's

1365
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,400
i can't remember the term that they used

1366
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,240
but that's something that they're aware

1367
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:38,720
of that it's it's

1368
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,430
yeah it's strange i mean we've um

1369
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,520
you know when we started getting reports

1370
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,839
of butt brake canines and

1371
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,559
you know dog men and all that you know i

1372
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,920
i thought you know and but

1373
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,520
quite odds when i started getting into

1374
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,440
this i mean i wasn't

1375
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:01,520
getting any of those type of reports you

1376
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,079
know but now

1377
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:06,400
it seems to be part of everything i mean

1378
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,520
we um

1379
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,960
you know i don't know what your thoughts

1380
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:11,200
are on how the paranormal and all the

1381
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,640
genres are connected

1382
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:13,839
but i believe they're definite

1383
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,920
connection they're they're i

1384
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,559
we get so many reports where two

1385
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:20,079
different things are seen at the same

1386
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:20,880
time say

1387
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:25,119
bigfoot and ufos or another cryptid and

1388
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:28,720
light phenomena it just it all seems

1389
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,319
to be i mean and more and more becoming

1390
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,520
something that's connected somewhat

1391
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,200
definitely and then take for example

1392
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:38,960
skinwalker ranch

1393
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,720
ufos dogman the super wolf

1394
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,280
bigfoot type creatures portals you know

1395
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,280
again it's all just kind of

1396
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:49,200
that's like a potpourri of the

1397
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,400
paranormal right there

1398
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,559
just in that one little spot there in

1399
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:53,680
utah

1400
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,640
and uh some of the there was one story

1401
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,240
out there where the lady was looking at

1402
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,520
her kitchen window

1403
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,000
saw a portal open up and there was

1404
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:04,240
somebody sitting at a desk like without

1405
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:05,359
a typewriter or

1406
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:08,400
doing something some kind of work and so

1407
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,000
the guy i think he looked up at her and

1408
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:11,599
then the portal just closed back and was

1409
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,240
gone

1410
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,160
what in the world is that you know

1411
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:15,760
that's

1412
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:19,200
is there some sort of uh i don't know if

1413
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,440
you're

1414
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,119
familiar with project bluebeam and

1415
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,800
things like that where they hopefully

1416
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,319
have the ability to

1417
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,000
beam things into your head that you

1418
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,920
think you see but you really don't

1419
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:30,240
is there some kind of technology like

1420
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,200
that at work

1421
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:33,040
and the same with the glimmer man i

1422
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,880
wonder how that ties in with

1423
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,240
some of these people that have gone

1424
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,240
missing from say bars

1425
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,079
where they they have video of them going

1426
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:42,000
in and there's security cameras

1427
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,520
everywhere but there's no video of them

1428
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,960
ever coming out and then they're never

1429
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,240
seen again

1430
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,880
same in the the uk the manchester area

1431
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,079
the the pusher

1432
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,760
they call it somebody's putting people

1433
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,680
in the canals and again

1434
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,680
and if you've ever been to the uk they

1435
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,920
have more surveillance cameras

1436
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,000
per head than anywhere in the world

1437
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,839
everywhere

1438
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,400
they have there's not one single frame

1439
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,079
of anybody shoving somebody

1440
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,640
in one of the canals there in manchester

1441
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:10,400
they see them going into a pub

1442
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,000
and then the next thing though they find

1443
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:13,599
the body in the canal so

1444
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,280
maybe it's like the shanghai tunnels out

1445
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,559
here there's some kind of underground

1446
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,760
way that they're

1447
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,839
dropping them down through a tunnel and

1448
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:21,760
and sending them out into the canal but

1449
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,510
you know the only place that i can

1450
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,480
really recall

1451
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:31,440
that happening that i got involved with

1452
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:31,839
was

1453
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:36,079
uh in la crosse wisconsin uh

1454
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:39,920
it's a college town and uh

1455
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,280
these kids would hang around the bars

1456
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,000
that was close to the this area of the

1457
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:47,599
city where there were a lot of bars and

1458
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,640
such

1459
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,680
uh we're area close to the parks

1460
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:54,800
beside the uh mississippi river

1461
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,280
and in the past i don't know

1462
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,400
12 years or so there have been 20

1463
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,760
at least 20 uh people that have

1464
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,760
young people that have died and have

1465
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:09,680
been found in mississippi

1466
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,800
in that area they have no explanation

1467
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:13,920
for it

1468
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,960
uh somebody would see one of these kids

1469
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,559
go into the pub

1470
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,200
be drinking with them or socializing

1471
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,480
with them

1472
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:25,280
and uh you know you the first thing you

1473
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,079
think is when the

1474
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:27,680
body turns up well they were drunk and

1475
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:29,599
made a bad step somewhere

1476
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:32,800
well i mean they just don't really have

1477
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:36,240
any explanation for it now there were

1478
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:40,079
a few that were associated to the happy

1479
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,520
face killer

1480
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:43,280
uh you know where they saw the happy

1481
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,839
face had been drawn

1482
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,359
nearby but that was only just a few of

1483
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:49,760
them but there have been many more

1484
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:52,960
that's a strange that's a strange job

1485
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,760
yeah bunch of pieces out there i've

1486
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,880
heard people

1487
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,880
you know put that in with the missing

1488
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,640
four one once i fold that it's serial

1489
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,920
killer

1490
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:04,000
but if it is they're they're 100

1491
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,960
successful

1492
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,960
and they don't leave behind any evidence

1493
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,720
not a shred so

1494
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,040
i just i don't see that i mean i can see

1495
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,640
how some of them could be that way and

1496
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,000
that's the thing

1497
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:16,880
there is no really hard and fast thing

1498
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,280
that

1499
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,359
everything fits but everything kind of

1500
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:21,040
fits a little bit of all the different

1501
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,079
theories

1502
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,599
it could be a government it could be

1503
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,800
aliens it could be something

1504
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,720
extraterrestrial or

1505
00:53:30,549 --> 00:53:28,319
from another dimension it could be

1506
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,559
serial killers it could be

1507
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,599
who knows what but there's definitely

1508
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,480
something going on out there

1509
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:38,400
yeah you start to wonder whether

1510
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,599
paranormal

1511
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,200
serial killers out there yeah

1512
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:45,359
and i mentioned the grim shows that were

1513
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:46,240
on you know

1514
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,160
and supposedly based out of portland

1515
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,400
uh you know that was pretty wild stuff

1516
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,079
that show anyway

1517
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,920
you know it was funny how they used to

1518
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:57,920
incorporate actual

1519
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:02,640
uh more in the paranormal into that show

1520
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,240
and uh you know if you took it seriously

1521
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,240
you think wow there's a lot of

1522
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,599
there's a lot of weird stuff but there

1523
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,200
is a lot of weird stuff that goes on out

1524
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:13,200
there i know that for a fact

1525
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,960
but uh you know let me ask you this have

1526
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,240
you experienced anything

1527
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,520
bizarre since you've lived out there

1528
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,720
uh well the the glimmer person thing

1529
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:25,920
that i talked about

1530
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,760
right downtown um i had another

1531
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,079
weird thing happen at an old victorian

1532
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:33,359
house that i lived in

1533
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,040
for a few years out here back in the 90s

1534
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,240
i had a black-eyed kids encounter

1535
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,839
yeah and i that's one of the ones i

1536
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,520
don't talk about too much i'll

1537
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,119
occasionally tell it

1538
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,559
and the first time i ever told it

1539
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,440
publicly that night and lon

1540
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,599
that house i had security cameras i had

1541
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,359
perimeter alarms

1542
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,359
i had everything i would know if

1543
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,520
somebody were even close to the house

1544
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,440
but that night after i told that story

1545
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:00,799
for the first time

1546
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,079
on the air i had a knock on the door

1547
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:06,000
about three am

1548
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,359
and again it didn't trip any of the

1549
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:08,880
alarms it didn't trip any of the cameras

1550
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,760
or anything

1551
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,839
and then there was a scream sounded like

1552
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,440
it started on the front porch came all

1553
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,799
the way through the house continued

1554
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,359
screaming and went out the back door

1555
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,520
and i thought my daughter had something

1556
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,960
terrible happen to her she was living

1557
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,400
with me at the time i

1558
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,000
ran to her room and flung open the door

1559
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,839
she sounded asleep

1560
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,599
and i said did you hear that screaming

1561
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,040
and she said i told you not to talk

1562
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:31,440
about those black-eyed kids

1563
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:34,960
but had that happen out here um

1564
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,640
i think what else there's a place here

1565
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,480
out in the county called the troll

1566
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,119
bridge that i've got a video on my 13

1567
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,880
past midnight channel

1568
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,359
about that it's more just like a creepy

1569
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,960
legend type thing

1570
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:51,119
but there's definitely a presence there

1571
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,319
it's a misused railroad trestle

1572
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,319
where years ago somebody started putting

1573
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,920
these little troll dolls on it the ones

1574
00:56:02,789 --> 00:55:59,200
with the the spiked up

1575
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,799
multicolored hair and just depending on

1576
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,240
when you go there there may be a few

1577
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,400
dozen up to a few hundred of them

1578
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,040
and people have even climbed way up into

1579
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,040
the trestle and put them up there

1580
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,680
and legend says that if you bring one

1581
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,200
and put it there it's good luck but if

1582
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,559
you take one

1583
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,640
it's bad luck and i'm gonna talk to a

1584
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,319
lady who uh

1585
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,760
swore that she had stopped there one

1586
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:23,119
time there was one on the ground and

1587
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,400
instead of putting it back on the bridge

1588
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,599
like you're supposed to do she took it

1589
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:26,960
home with her

1590
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,559
and then she started having all this

1591
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,480
unexplained phenomena happened

1592
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,520
she would hear giggling and little feet

1593
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:35,040
and find things moved around in her

1594
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,400
house she lived alone she didn't have

1595
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,520
any pets

1596
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,680
and finally she decided it was the curse

1597
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,960
of the troll doll

1598
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,480
she took it put it back on the bridge

1599
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,319
and the activity stopped

1600
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,680
not never is that one of those things

1601
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,920
like a tuple where just thinking about

1602
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:49,839
it and putting that energy out there

1603
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,359
can bring it back to you cause possibly

1604
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:54,799
you know you hear a lot about things

1605
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:56,400
like that um

1606
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:58,640
i've had some time slips out here too

1607
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,920
simple time

1608
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,400
i was i think that's what it was i was

1609
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,839
downtown once

1610
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,079
and uh this is in broad daylight and i

1611
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,680
was just turning a corner to go around

1612
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,119
the building i think it was a bank or

1613
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,119
something there big building

1614
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:12,960
and just as i turned the corner there

1615
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:14,319
was a guy coming the other direction

1616
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:15,760
turning in the corner

1617
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,960
and he had on like 1800 style clothing

1618
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,240
with a

1619
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,920
it wasn't an abe lincoln style hat it

1620
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,200
wasn't that tall but it was kind of a

1621
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,200
top hat type thing

1622
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,480
just as i turned the corner i thought

1623
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:27,760
well i want to get a look at that i

1624
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:29,200
thought it was you know maybe a cosplay

1625
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:29,839
or

1626
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:33,440
something and we made a few steps i

1627
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,839
turned

1628
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:36,079
right around went back around the corner

1629
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:37,920
no sign of the guy anywhere

1630
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,280
and that side of the street there was no

1631
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:42,880
entrances or anything to the building

1632
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,119
other than windows that were all closed

1633
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:47,520
and nothing on the other side there was

1634
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,960
no way he could have gone

1635
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:51,440
anywhere in that short time so i don't

1636
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,240
know if

1637
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,720
if i slipped or if he did or if it was a

1638
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:56,559
ghost in broad daylight

1639
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,000
or what one of those things it makes you

1640
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:02,789
well steve before we go i want you to

1641
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:04,319
tell folks how they can get all your

1642
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:05,920
books and uh

1643
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,200
you know what productions you have and

1644
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:12,319
how other things involve with uh

1645
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,960
either youtube or your facebook or a

1646
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,839
website

1647
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,400
absolutely my book's available on amazon

1648
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,079
and whoever find books are sold my

1649
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:23,040
publisher told me to say that

1650
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:25,920
stern's things in the woods and that's

1651
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,559
actually

1652
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:28,240
my first two books combined i used to

1653
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,440
have strange things in the woods and

1654
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,119
more strange things in the woods

1655
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:33,280
that's both combined into one and then

1656
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:34,559
the other book that's also out in

1657
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,000
paperback is my strange

1658
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,640
world the first one strange things in

1659
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,839
the woods that's stories that i've

1660
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,119
collected from

1661
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,839
friends family friends of family that

1662
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,440
type thing over the years

1663
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,520
and my strange world those are an

1664
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:49,359
account of some of my personal

1665
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,000
experiences

1666
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,720
that's as much as i could fit in one

1667
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,760
book

1668
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,920
but um gather they're on amazon or like

1669
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,520
i said whoever you buy books

1670
00:59:01,109 --> 00:59:00,319
uh paperback ebook and uh strange things

1671
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,119
in the woods is an

1672
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,319
audible version i'm on youtube i have uh

1673
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,760
13 past midnight

1674
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,440
which is my personal channel where i

1675
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:09,200
narrate things from my books and some

1676
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,319
other

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00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,640
uh encounters and a little bit of

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00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,079
everything on there

1679
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,680
there's some fiction and stuff on there

1680
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,200
as well and then

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bill melder who's in the chat there is

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missing persons in ministries

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00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,920
we do that channel together uh we cover

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00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,680
much like it says missing person cases

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00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:27,920
and then on the mystery side of that

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00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:30,960
we use that as a lot of leeway

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00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:34,559
and cover anything mysterious we have

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00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,599
cryptids and

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00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,280
and other things on there so missing

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00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:39,680
persons and ministries i'm on facebook

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00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:42,720
steve stockton81 and i'm on twitter

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00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,760
strange and odd is my twitter handle and

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00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,200
i love to hear from folks

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00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,760
and my email address is all over the web

1695
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,720
it's in the back of all my books

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00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:55,200
before you go i got a question here from

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00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:57,040
ryan who wants to know if you have any

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01:00:03,349 --> 00:59:58,319
accounts

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01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,910
hmm i've i've never had a men in black

1700
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:08,079
encounter i know about them like from

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01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:08,559
the

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01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:14,480
of like this trickster figure

1703
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,440
and if you look starting back like

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around the men in black and then going

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01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,079
forward

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01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,319
then a few years later you had the

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01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:24,000
phantom clowns

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then you had the black-eyed children

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01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:27,440
yeah you know it's just

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01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:28,880
it's like there's something out there

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01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,839
that tries to entice people or talk to

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people or interact with people but they

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01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,720
don't get it quite right

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01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:36,559
you know in black they they wear nice

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01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,400
clothes they drive nice cars

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01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:40,400
but they they speak weird and they look

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01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,680
like robots

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01:00:45,910 --> 01:00:43,520
well phantom clowns you know who doesn't

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01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,920
like clowns but these are scary clowns

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01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,000
that come out of the woods and chase you

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01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:50,640
and the black-eyed kids oh well we'll

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01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,640
send kids out to interact with people

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01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,839
everybody likes kids

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01:00:57,750 --> 01:00:55,520
but these are weird little kids with jet

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01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,760
black eyes that talk weird and do weird

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01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:58,799
things

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so if i ever disappear it was probably

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01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:03,520
the

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bikini models with pizza and heavy metal

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01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,720
albums that i let in

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01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,720
[Laughter]

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01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,480
well steve thanks again for coming on

1733
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,400
the show it's my pleasure

1734
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:18,079
i'd like to have you come back and get

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01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:19,520
another book out and

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01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,760
uh we'll talk again sure i just got a

1737
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:23,680
contract for three more so uh

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01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:24,880
i'll have something coming up within a

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01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:26,720
few months sounds good

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01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,470
now if you have an unexplained counter

1741
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,160
sighting feel free to contact me through

1742
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:36,319
the phantoms of monsters blog site

1743
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:37,920
uh if you're interested in supporting

1744
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:40,400
fans of monsters or arcane radio

1745
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:43,599
you can use the paypal donation buttons

1746
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:44,240
or

1747
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,520
links on the blog and newsletter uh we

1748
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:49,359
have a few things going on we got a

1749
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,680
a gofundme page for david

1750
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:56,240
eckhart trying to buy some equipment for

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01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:57,039
him

1752
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:00,319
so he can continue to get better

1753
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:04,000
uh alien images uh at his home and his

1754
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,760
research

1755
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,160
is also part of the fans of monster 4g

1756
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,000
research team now

1757
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:12,559
and uh he's going to be getting involved

1758
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,039
with

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01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,319
a few cases that we are constantly

1760
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,079
getting

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01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:20,480
i'm going to be on coast to coast next

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01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:21,440
tuesday night

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01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:25,200
wednesday morning uh you can hear me on

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01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,599
there

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01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,440
that'll be interesting i've been on

1766
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:29,920
there several times now

1767
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:33,119
and uh it usually is very fruitful

1768
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,160
as far as getting cases coming my way so

1769
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:38,640
hopefully that'll be the case again

1770
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:41,680
and uh the beyond

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01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,599
explanation membership uh you become a

1772
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:47,680
member of this channel

1773
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:50,000
on youtube and get a lot of different

1774
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:51,760
perks a lot of

1775
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,720
premieres before everybody else gets

1776
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:56,480
them we've got some things coming up

1777
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:58,000
very soon

1778
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:01,280
uh you know get on board it's

1779
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:04,720
very very cheap 2.99 a month

1780
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:08,240
and uh you you know be able to see a few

1781
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,319
things here a few things

1782
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,640
uh before everybody else does and we're

1783
01:03:16,069 --> 01:03:14,640
gonna have discounts on merchandise when

1784
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:16,079
that starts

1785
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:19,359
so you know become part of the team

1786
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:22,480
uh i want to again thank steve stockton

1787
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:25,680
for coming on this evening and i want to

1788
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,480
thank you

1789
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:29,039
for listening to the show just stay